"We should have," he agrees and while he can say it IS possible... his was only possible because he literally became a God in his own right to defeat the thing. Logos, Ultima's equal. "But we knew little to nothing about this creature, let alone the fact it could create it's own sub-world."

... Fuck, was his sword under this rubble? Did he just melt his sword? He grimaces down at the rocks beneath his feet, before sighing hard and moving back towards Odiles side.

"We know now, however, and we did enough damage to him in his own world that he started becoming serious. That's promising. But it also means we need to weaken him, or lure him out where he has the disadvantage."