sticksandbones | it's world philosophy day!

i do not think yo therefore i not am!

[ The fact he knows the quote I think therefore I am, and the fact he can write therefore, should account for something right? Just ignore the rest. ]

[Oh Beat.]

I very much see that. At the very least, you understood what I was referencing. Perhaps you Are after all.

gotta ask tho what like counts as thinkin?? cuz as a dog i dont think mucha the future but i know i am cuz uh i mean i am but what bout bugs??

[Pen scrawling on the page in what is undoubtedly a rant Beat won't understand... backpedalling. Crossing all that out.]

According to the philosopher himself, if you have the capacity to doubt, you must exist.

I realise this pokes holes in the argument of other things around us existing (like bugs, or plants, which typically don't have the capacity to doubt), which was sort of the point.

[ Confused. As fuck. ]

how that prove the point if we know stuff exists but it aint like doubtin

Philosophy isn't necessary about proving a point. The "point" of this argument is to say that, because people have the capacity to doubt, they must exist. We could be brains in jars trapped in simulations, but we know we exist because we can question our existence.

We don't know anything else exists, given that logic, do we? The grass and the sky and the trees could all be fake and included in the simulation.

[ Oh, Gnosis. He tries. He really does. He reads the words written before him. But slowly his eyes drift away as Gnosis continues to write and he stares, unfocused, at a fly crawling languidly along the wall in front of him.

It takes several moments before he's aware Gnosis has stopped. ]

oh okay yo cool esseggstential crisis stuff

i dig it ˙ᵕ˙

Existential.

[Mansplainer.]

yeah that shit

yall brainiacs need to stop thinkin sometimes ya gonna burn yer meats out

I haven't been able to stop thinking since at least age three. My "meats" are not burned out quite yet.

yo wth thats too early to be thinkin i aint started thinkin til i was seven

also when i started boardin so maybe somethin there

but still too much thought gonna fuck you up cuz you think bout every lil thing

i betchu super think bout what to put in soup too huh

I do think about what to put in soup. Do you simply throw in any old thing and hope it tastes good or is nutritious enough?

uh yea?? the nose knows yo knows what smells good together an usually when it do it tastes great!

[ To the dog who may or may not sneak into Siffrins room to lick Callan fish bowl water. ]

Oh, my. We were supposed to think this whole time? I'm afraid I've been slacking on that front, then.

Enjoy your loss of being, you fool.

pass
thinkings overrated

id like to stop havin to think forever actually

I wasn't aware you thought in the first place, Wolfwood.

oh no no i think
i just dont think about shit that matters like
idk
global warming
if i did existing would be too hard

I'll be frank with you: if global warming exists here of all places, I'm going to throw myself into the ocean for good this time.

[GNOSIS???]

i mean yeah same
but hey at least we get to avoid that here
thats gotta count for somethin
we get to have existential crises instead

I'm sorry, do you not regularly have existential crises where you're from?

sure but those are more predictable and on schedule
here its like bam! congrats youre contemplating your own mortality for the fifth time this month

...you schedule your existential crises?

well maybe not down to the minute but i think i get pretty damn close these days

Do you align them with how many cigarettes you've smoked that day?

hey howd you know?

Ah, that sounds quite like Dessertes principle! To play the critique role of Gumsendi, to claim such, however, invalidates the saying. You are already presupposing an "I", which presupposes an existence. "I am thinking, therefore I am" when truthfully merely be "Thinking is occuring."

You can imagine our Philosophers of old were quite interested in this thought experiment, once Witches became legend and religious icons only. Do we exist because we think, or do we think because we exist.

Edited 2024-11-23 10:13 (UTC)

I find it hilarious that both of our worlds have similarly-named philosophers. Descartes was ours — a Gaulish Liberi.

[I just decided Descartes would've been a bird, sue me.]

I enjoy such thought experiments as well. Looking at the lives we lead through a lens of questioning leads to interesting ways of thinking and learning. I'm fond of this principle, of course, but also of the allegory of the cave, and the age old question of "if a tree falls and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?"

I did make Sesa cry by grilling him on the latter, though.

It is quite intriguing the amount of similarities that seem to show up between our worlds! Not just people but concepts as well. It would seem there is a fundamental underlying "truth" that pervades each world in return.

[ Well thank goodness this is paper so no one can hear him laugh about poor Sesa. ]

Poor dear. I do not blame him, however! It is a very mind bending thought. Does reality exist when there is no one around to observe it? Do we shape our surroundings by our perceptions? "The mind is everything. What you think you become."

And that's where the "brain in a jar" argument often comes in. "My" reality before coming here consisted of no realm where cookies have sentience and a society of their own — obviously no offense meant to you, just in case that needs to be stated. Similarly, I hadn't considered the multiverse theory beyond pure speculation and the occasional "yeah, maybe".

There are things in reality which are provable, but we may lack the means to prove them. The way the human mind and the surrounding worlds with which it inhabits are truly fascinating.

[ Brain in a jar makes him think of the rumors of Dark Enchantress' laboratory in Beast-Yeast. The moral implications are horrible. Yet he desires to see it something fierce. What does a Cookie brain-in-a-jar see or feel? ]

Oh no offense taken, my friend! The reality of my world seems to be an anomaly in many others realities. Yet it fascinates me, as well! After all, even in my world there is theory there was Desserts before there was Life. Baking before there was Imbuing, so I yet wonder if the Witches did not see into other Worlds and Imbue what they saw into their bakery, or direct the flow of Life Powder in such a way to mimic what they saw. Your Descaretes became our Dessertes. I too wonder if the Rise and Fall of our Empires and Kingdoms mimic your own. Ah, but that is another line of thought entirely.

Mm not only lack the means, but every time we discover something new, our perception of what is probable and provable shifts. Before I heard tales of a Cookie that traveled the space between Stars, made of the very dust of them, I would not have thought it possible. Yet I trust those who say they have met them! Our realities widen every day.

Ah, does your world deal much in astral travel, then? Terra does not — and there was quite the amount of controversy around a Columbian project where a Perro woman launched herself into outer space some time ago. Those files are locked behind very heavy encryption, and I only know as much as another Operator felt like informing me at the time.

Anyway, I'm curious to know — I'd love to explore the solar system, personally.

I do not know how far they got, but I know the City of Wizards was filled with those who sought to reach into the unknown above us. The city was filled with Wizards who sought to know all they could of the world and what existed around them through magic and clockwork technology! They used Cookies to act as their eyes and ears, and extensions of their magics, as we seem uniquely suited to last in such an environ! Sadly they have long since left our world, and taken most of their knowledge with them. What is left is guarded fiercely.

Ah, I see the fascination to know what exists above us, but I find myself lacking the desire to reach my fingers so far, when I have yet to explore the entirety of my own world! What lays in the Oceans deepest depths, what exists over the farthest expanse of it? Only when I have truly plumped all I could from my world, will I then turn my gaze up.

Edited (oops htmld) 2024-12-13 16:11 (UTC)

The latter is a sentiment that has been echoed by many people on Terra. I do not know what lies in the vacuum of space, but I do at least have an insight into the oceans — since it came up.

Most of it is Seaborn. Lots of Seaborn. The city of Aegir is underwater, or so the rumour goes, but no one has heard from it in eons. It's something of a historical mythology to the rest of Terra now. I have no reason to doubt the rumour is true, based on my interacts with certain people at Rhodes Island — but I would still like to see it for myself.

I do wonder what would be in your oceans, relatedly. Are they made of water like ours?

Ah yes, Oceans for you would not be such a surprise, would they? I daresay Mizuki would know much. An entire lost civilization under the Ocean. I do hope you get to see it for yourself, someday. I recall how eager you were in the Seabase here to explore. And get bit.

[ >:(

Though. Actually... as he thinks.. ]

Yes, they are, though you will find them quite carbonated at times, and I believe we have stories similar as well! A Mermaid civilization, who control the Tides and have powers which we have not much studied, as they keep themselves away from Land Cookies. Whether they are Cookies themselves or, like the Dragons, can turn into Cookies at will I am unsure. Nor am I certain if they are the only thing that dwell in the waters.

For there is tale of a vast continent far further than any have gone before, the home of the Witches. And we know the Witches to be human sized, so surely their own creatures must be just as large. Ah but our creation mythos are well and truly all over the board, so I do not know if that is true. We do have gummy whales, however! And I know a fair tale of a large Kraken!

[ Who may or may not have transformed herself into a tiny squid upon suffering amnesia but he doesn't know that. ]

Oh, so that's how I got my body back.

Ha. Does that thought comfort you at all?

Truthfully? A little. Before the lot of you came back, I was completely alone in the ruins of the town. Ydalir came by when she could, but then it was back to the empty void.

Yes, so it was explained to me. I can only loosely imagine such solitude — I was never in a destroyed civilization, but the emotions I felt after having to leave Kjerag were similar.

In any case, you're not alone anymore. Relieving, isn't it?

More than I can say. It ain't the best circumstances but I really am glad to see you all again.

If I may ask a theoretical question, Heimr — and feel free to answer as honestly as you'd like, or reject the question entirely — if you were given the ability to traverse worlds, would you come visit each of ours?

I'm not sure. It would be interesting, but I haven't considered leaving this place even possible, let alone whether I'd go. I'd love to see you all whenever I could, though.

I ask simply because Enciodes and I would invite you to Kjerag, if that were feasible at all.

Your jacket selling business would make a lot of money there. :)

My coats are more than worth it! You've seen the detail and quality I put into them. Though, I can't guarantee I wouldn't clonk a few people on the head for what's happened to the two of you.

I can give you a list of names. I still hold my grudges. Enciodes more than I do, I wager.

As the kids say, "Bet".

it's world philosophy day!

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

TYPES THIS REPLY ALL OVER AGAIN and it will never be as good as it was pensive

:pensivewobble: emote here

no subject

Heimr

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject